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Tuesday, September 8, 2009

Love his Big Ego

I got some interesting advice today from someone I hold to the highest regard, being a friend, somewhat of a mentor, and spiritual leader to me.

I was talking about how men tend to be intimidated – or rather – feel less adequate as a man around women who are intelligent, successful, opinionated, and educated (especially if it’s at a level equal or better than themselves). Of course this does not include all men; I know some guys who truly appreciate a woman who has it all together, even if it means they get outshined in some ways. But some – and I would venture to even say most – guys seem to want a woman to take a back-seat in a relationship, look up to him and his opinion, and in a lot of ways, give a man a sense of responsibility and leadership in life. In another words, he wants a woman to stroke his ego (no Beyonce`).

So my friend says this: Most women don’t know the secret. And the ones that do are the ones who end up with the good men. Not saying a woman should be submissive and have no opinions or ideas. Just saying that if a woman really wants to have a successful relationship, she has to know that sometimes, it’s best just to let him win. Sometimes you have to make him feel like it was his idea all along when you know you suggested it in the first place. Sometimes you just have to say “Wow honey, you’re so much smarter/stronger/better at this than I am. I dunno what I’d do without you.” And at the end of the day, deep deep down he’ll know you’re the better, but just thinking that you think HE is, is enough for him to want to keep your around.

And as much as I wanted to get on my post-modern post-structuralist feminist platform and curse him out about how his Muslim total submission ideals just set women back 50 years or a few continents to the east, I bit my tongue and practiced his teachings by saying, “You’re right, Chap. Great advice. You're so smart. What would I do without you?” And after the blood rushed back through my body, I started to think about this.

In some ways, he has a valid point (and being that he’s an older, wiser man, I’m willing to consider it). A male ego seems to be a lot like a woman’s heart. We will never understand it, see its purpose, or agree to anything it needs. But at the end of the day, women who are most successful in relationships are the ones who do what they can to keep the male ego(s) happy. Guys will never understand the deep, emotional workings of a woman’s heart. But the ones that just bite their tongue and pretend to care about our feelings and do the things we need them to do or say to make us feel more “secure” in our relationship are the ones that we tend to keep around. Perhaps it’s the same for men with their egos. Perhaps the big secret IS to just suck it up (pause) and give it a little stroke (double pause).

I mean, granted, I can agree that a man is the leader of a household, and should therefore be the leader in a relationship, so in a way, I see how he would need to feel dominant. But can’t he feel good about himself in other ways (like, say, his bedroom performance or ability to change a tire)? Does it always have to come down to brains, careers, and money??

I don’t know. Because on the way home, I shared these opinions with my (less – uh - colorful) man friend, and he seemed to suggest the complete opposite was true. His opinion was that a man who needs a woman to make him feel better about himself and more secure in his masculinity was not a man at all, and certainly not worthy of a good woman. Most guys “he knows” want a woman to challenge his thinking, call him out on his stuff, and drive him both intellectually and physically. And even though I think some of these men are talking real big game to their guy friends and at the end of the day, really do want a woman they can dominate (no CB), I actually believe that what he’s saying is true also.

Which leads me to the big question: Is this “ego” problem merely a black/minority phenomenon or does it apply to all men? Is there something in black/Hispanic/Arabic culture that drives men to feel the need for a constant ego boost from a woman, or does this bleed through color lines? Does the constant degradation of black (and Hispanic) men in our society and the media cause them to look to other means to boost themselves back up? Are minority women bearing the burden of hundreds of years of oppression and damaged self-worth? Who is bearing OUR burden? SHOULD it be our job to dumb ourselves down or downplay our success/education in order to make a man feel better about himself? Or is it just catering to the complex needs of a man the way he (should) cater to our own?

I need some answers.

Guys, HONESTLY, do you tend to gravitate toward women who “wanna be saved”, or do you TRULY appreciate a successful woman, even if she’s more successful than you? Could you honestly be in a relationship with someone more intelligent, or who makes more money than you do?

Ladies, do you find yourself biting your tongue, and singing praises about your man’s “big ego” just to make sure he feels good about himself? Or do you, like me, find yourself single most of the time because you refuse to fall back when you know you’re right?

Don’t get me wrong… I love a big ego as much as the next girl. But is it really my job is stroke it???

You tell me.

5 comments:

Scott said...

"Guys, HONESTLY, do you tend to gravitate toward women who “wanna be saved”, or do you TRULY appreciate a successful woman, even if she’s more successful than you? Could you honestly be in a relationship with someone more intelligent, or who makes more money than you do?"

I'm absolutely attracted to successful women. As a matter of fact, my girlfriend is smarter than me and depending on how the cards fall, could easily make more man than I do.

I'm perfectly OK with that.

Henry V said...

Great post! As with most things, I think people at the extremes of this issue are ridiculous. I think any man that desperately need a woman to validate him is a weak man. And any man that say he doesn't need some level of validation from his woman is either a liar or a tyrant.

At the end of the day, every man wants a woman who makes them feel good about themselves in some way. Whether she loves the pipe, the income, the intelligence, the looks, whatever, men (just like women) want to be appreciated for their talents or abilities.

If a woman doesn't have the sense to at least occasionally show a man in some way that she notices and appreciates things he's good at I think there's a problem with her. Likewise, if a man never gave you the impression that he thought you were smart or pretty or funny, etc you probably wouldn't be happy with him for long.

To answer your question, I get really irritated by women that seem to need "saving". A woman that needs me to solve all her problems and support her completely is just dead weight in my opinion. At the same time, I also get irritated by women who seem to feel the need to domineer or belittle the average guy as some way of bolstering their own egos or self worth. I'm looking for a somewhat equal partner that I can grow with.

I do however, think that, unfortunately, many men are intimidated by successful women in some part because from a social and even evolutionary standpoint, females have traditionally selected mates largely based on their ability to be a provider and protector. A woman making more money and being more intelligent in a sense can be inherently threatening to a man's ability to play that role. Not saying its right or wrong, but gender roles have existed for centuries, but the idea of the powerful, professionally successful woman being commonplace is a relatively new one. Some dudes haven't adjusted yet I guess.

Also, it's definitely not a race or ethnicity specific thing in my opinion.

Big Ego said...

A man will have a big ego only if it has been made so by a woman. If there is a guy in your town that walks with his chest stuck out and as if he owns the wolrd...some woman (or women) can take credit.

On the flip side every seen a guy walking around like he has no purpose...chances are his ego was crushed by a woman.

Men are goal oriented achievers. Without a goal to achieve they are truly "lost puppies". Women are a big part of that goal orientation (some men just want to bang them others need trophies by their sides to show the world).

The funny thing is most women and get this men too have no idea that this is the issue. So ladies consider this if you don't stroke it another woman will.

Successful and intellegent have nothing to do with the nature of men. People have preferences and personalities that gravitate towards certain types.

But if you ever met the girl that seems to always get with a guy she should not be with or even has guys waiting in line for her. She has a way with "tworkin" dat thang! That being his ego.

Reina said...

Great post! Sorry I'm so late with commenting.

You're articulating a conflict that I have yet to resolve. I will not and cannot dumb myself down for the sake of a man's ego. Yes I also recognize that a male ego has the resolve of a screen door in the South (quite flimsy), so I try to cater to it to an extent. Have I mastered this technique? No, some men are competitive and can't handle their women having higher pay & better accomplishments.

Your pay does not have to be higher to lead my household. However, I'm not going to waste time attempting to convince you of this fact.

Charity R said...

I know I'm not a guy but I think it's a little of both, just not like you're thinking. They want a omen they can save, just not constantly, and they appreciate a successful woman (that knows who she is and what she wants and where he fits into that).

What man wants a damsel in distress all of the time? That's implying that he can't be human and ever have a moment of distress himself(that would mean everything would fall apart if he didn't handle it). It doesn't matter whether you're woman or man, you want to have a place and purpose within your relationship. Something that you know you bring to the table and that validates your contribution or makes you special. You know... something only you could bring to the relationship or to the other person(even if it isn't necessarily true you should feel that way). However I don't think you should ever dumb yourself down or suppress your true feelings.

People seem to have this misconception that that's what men want. I think that people on the outside looking in should be aware of what they are looking at. What one person may think is a sad situation, might be exactly what the person in the situation wants. For example, one woman's idea of success might be earning 6 to 7 figures, while another's might be being a good wife and mother. I don't think it makes one better than the other. I think most men want a woman who can still be their own person in whatever role they play within the relationship. Any relationship that requires you to robotically agree and constantly stroke his ego will not work. The real you will eventually come out or, you will lose who you are and once he has tackled the challenge of trying to control you and succeeding, he will get bored and move on to the next challenge. It's so important to keep in mind that just like you, men want to be recognized for what they do right, how they make a difference, and that they are important to you. They don't, however, want to be bossed around like a child. So when you have something to say, or something you know they should do you can still talk to them like an adult. Also some things aren't worth saying "I told you so", because like you said, he knows already. Do you always want people reminding you that you weren't right or that it wasn't your idea? You pic your battles & bragging moments.

In the same breath women are made to be there for thier man as well. Any man that has a woman that's worth her weight knows that she will step up when he is defeated or seems lost. This may mean taking charge for a moment (but not taking over forever). They should help one another. I think men want the same thing from woman that woman want from men...just like you said. They don't necessarily want you to show it through cuddling, hugs, kisses, & gifts but, instead through your words and the way that you look at them. At least that's what I've seen.